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|FRENCH INTERNATIONAL MATCH WORN No 9 JERSEY CIRCA
1982 - 1984 (BELIEVED TO BE), WHITE CUFFS - A French international No 9 jersey, circa, early 1970s by
Le Coq Sportif, the jersey has the No 9 applied by transfer to the reverse and
the traditional FFR badge sewn onto the front. There is no actual size on the label but the
jersey measures 18" (46cm) across the chest (from armpit to armpit). The
jersey is from the collection of Ron Lewis, the Welsh international referee
and initially we thought that is was most likely from the 1974 Argentina v France test series when Ron
officiated at both tests. Le Petit General, Jacques Fouroux played scrum half
in both matches, however in the photos we have found from this series it looks
as though there are no white cuffs on the jerseys which also look to be Adidas
without the stripes. It is unusual to find French jerseys of this era
with white cuffs, in the the 1974 Five Nations match against Wales the cuffs
are blue, likewise in the 1975 test series against South Africa where the
jersey brand looks to have switched to Adidas. Further research has shown that
the French flirted with using Le Coq jerseys between 1982 and 1984, in a 1984
photo we have found the number 9 exactly as per this jersey, however the
Le Coq Sportif logos are central and on the arms in all the French XV photos
we can find. We are still unable to find a photo of this style of jersey so
perhaps it is a schools or other representative team. In 1985 France switched
to Nike jerseys and we concluded our research there.
Additional note: The jerseys worn in the 1968 Grand Slam season are very similar but without the Le Coq motif.
|Is this a Llanelli jersey from the match against John Dawes Lions XV in 1973 ? The match was to celebrate the centenaries of both Llanelli and the University College of Wales, Aberystwyth. The Llanelli centenary was in 1972 so although a little late the dates tie in. The UCW initials underneath the Dragon must stand for the University College Wales. In this match Llanelli played in scarlet and the number 9 jersey was worn by Selwyn Williams.||
Ref: WRM-ID PL10-jyuk. wacb-lell 1972-ucw
|A light blue and yellow jersey, the badge has 'FVR' below a bat. A very unusual badge, the jersey is a lightweight cotton so could possibly be Southern European.||Ref: WRM-ID PL32-16- jyuk-fvr|
A jersey that came with Derek Quinnell's blazer and kit back from the 1971 tour - originally believed to have been from the Canterbury match but the hoops don't match up to those pictured.
NOT THE SAME JERSEY - THE STRIPES DON'T MATCH UP
BATTLE OF CANTERBURY - 1971 LIONS TOUR, LYN DAVIS CANTERBURY JERSEY. - A jersey from this famous British Lions tour match in which the British Lions were roughed up by the South Island province of Canterbury. Props Sandy Carmichael (multiple fracture of the cheek bone) and Ray McLoughlin (dislocation of the thumb) were side-lined for the rest of the tour. The jersey worn by scrum half Lyn Davis was exchanged with Derek Quinnell post match. It is a Canterbury (size OS) jersey.
Any ideas or info on this jersey would be appreciated
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WELSH SCHOOLBOY PAINTING
A recent acquisition of the museum is this painting of a Welsh Schoolboy in his jersey. we believe this is an original painting from around the turn of the century, the jersey badge dates it as thus. What is unusual about this painting is the modernistic structure that the boy is holding onto. We've no idea what this is, if anyone can shed any light on who the player is or what is he holding onto we'd much appreciate this. Disappointingly there is a small tear to the canvas on the boy's face but generally the painting is good with some damage to the inside of the frame.
On viewing an antiques programme recently the structure was explained. It was very similar to a jardinieire (large indoor plant holder) that was common place around the turn of the century.
Amongst the World Rugby Museum collection is a signed postcard of the combined East Midlands and Midland team that toured France in 1913. The card is autographed to the reverse by 13 of the tour party including Captain Edgar Mobbs and one of rugby's greatest adventurers, Tom Richards, the only man ever to play for the both the British Lions and Australia. We'd like to find out more information about this tour and the other players in this team and to identify those hard to read signatures. Local newspapers for Northampton, Coventry, Leicester and surrounding districts etc may contain tour reports and information relating to these players.
A big thank you to Frederic Humbert of Rugby Pioneers who has provided the following information:
The East Midlands team pictured, known as Midlands Wanderers played Toulouse every year between 1908 and 1914. In 1913, Midlands played both Toulouse and Perpignan a few days later, it is not known at which match this photograph was taken. The Toulouse game was played on Shrove Tuesday and the Midlands won 10-8. The chap in the picture with the bowler hat is J B Minahan who served East Midlands as both the secretary and the president. The connection between the teams looks to be JB's nephew Reginald Minahan (WWI - KIA 1916) who played for Toulouse in the 1910-11 season.
Frederic included the team line ups for the match (see illustration above) and the East Midlands players are as follows:
H Millet, Edgar Mobbs, Couk, Kingston, Panthin, Pemberton, Earl, Richards, Cawen, Oldham, Deakin, Smith, pettit, tebbit, Aldridge.
|Milford P Jones - probably a Welshman with 8 panel ball and what looks like a portable changing shed in the background. Ref: F9-238-pcpyuk||Unknown team. Ref: F9-240-pctmuk|
|Dally Messenger - signed ????? - Is this a real signature or has someone just written Dally's name, A picture of kicking contest between Messenger and Lomas, the English captain in 1910 , a regular occurrence in early 20th century Australia - F9-239-pcrl|
|We asked - A signed postcard of AE
Jenkins, illustration left - Is this a much younger Albert E
Jenkins of illustration right from Llanelli who played for Wales in
the 1920's or another AE Jenkins? We'll need to check the signature,
has anyone out there got an Albert Jenkins signature we can compare
this against ?
Lisa Edwards, Albert Jenkinss (Llanelli) great-granddaughter replied with the image to the right. A comparison of the signature and the two photos shows clearly that they are different players. So the question we have to ask now is who is "A E Jenkins"?
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|UNKNOWN RUGBY TIES|
Our unknown ties are contained on a separate page. PLEASE CLICK HERE or on the image above to view these.
|The badges & pins in this table belonged to a member of the Transvaal committee and his son based in Johannesburg. We believe that most date from the 1960s. Any help identifying these will be much appreciated.|
|Unknown - CL - 15mm - Ref: F72-13-07||same as Canadian badge but different colours Ref: F72-14-15|
|Junior Springboks ?? ? - BH - 12mm - Ref: BGA-121|
We think this may be an Argentinian University side
Unknown team, the badge has probably lost it's epoxy coating
We are searching for information and photographs on the playing career of Morgan Davies (born 16.8.1898 in Tredegar). He probably played just after WWI possibly for Tredegar. (WRM-RRC-3379)
We are searching for information on Charles Bunney (or Bunny, Bunning). He is reported as being a prominent Usk and Pontypool player. We have this information on his Pontypool career...........
C Bunny played for Pontymoile Whitestars in seasons 1898-1899,
1899-1900 and 1900-1901. Pontymoile
Whitestars, who were the forerunners of Pontypool RFC, amalgamated
But we have nothing on him playing for Usk RFC. I would expect
him to be playing in the 1890s for this club ?
But we have nothing on him playing for Usk RFC. I would expect him to be playing in the 1890s for this club ?
CAN YOU HELP ?
Emlyn 'Em' EVANS
This photo shows W.E. Evans of Penygraig wearing his Welsh Schools jersey and cap awarded to him in 1936 when he played for Wales against England in front of a crowd of 30,000 at cardiff Arms Park. Em.'s son Ray is keen to acquire a team photo from this match. The other members of the team are:
W.Roberts (Aberavon), T.Lewis (Aberavon),
B.Watkins (Abertillery), D.J.Prater
Wales won the match by 25 points to 9, click on thumbnail to the left for the match report. Em's shirt can now be seen hanging proudly in the Penygraig RFC club house.
WTC(Y) 1936 cap
We are not sure if this is a rugby cap, it is definitely a Welsh cap of some sort having belonged to John Williams, 43 High Street, Ynysybwl. Ynysybwl is a village between Pontypridd and Mountain Ash.
It is possible that the letters stand for Welsh Training Colleges Youth,
Made by Bukta the cap does not have any piping and the badge to the front is stitched on.
If you are able to shed any light on this cap please...........
|We are searching for information on the career of Albert Jones who sometimes played under the name of Albert Green, (Green being his mother's maiden name). We know that he played rugby league for Wales in the 1920s, possibly against New Zealand at Pontypridd.|
Wales Rugby League Cap 1927-8 awarded to Albert Green / Jones. The cap is by Nicholl & Brown of Halifax.
Rugby League Cap 1927-8 (GM) awarded to Albert Green / Jones. The cap by W Gamage Ltd of London is in excellent condition. See info below for Albert's clubs, it's highly probable that this is a Pontypridd or Carlisle cap.
Thanks to Graham Williams who has supplied the following information.
two Welsh appearances were against New Zealand in December 1926 and England in
April 1927. According to the recently published Barrow RLFC Who’s Who, after
Pontypridd RLFC closed down in October 1927 Green joined the newly formed
Carlisle City sometime after August 1928. When City closed down in November 1928
Green joined Barrow but after playing six matches for them ‘he disappeared’."
BIRMINGHAM CIVIL SERVICE RFC
Birmingham Civil Service RFC are searching for information and photographs relating to the club. If you are able to help please email the archivist.
We are searching for information or newspaper reports by journalist WJ 'John' Hoare known as 'Old Stager'. Seen above kicking off a charity match 'OId Stager' was an influential member of the South Wales press core, his criticism of the selection policy led to the creation of a five man selection panel. He then named them the 'Big Five', a term which became as famous as the man himself. There were two 'Old Stagers', the first 'JR Stephens' covered rugby in South Wales around the 1890s to early 1900s, the Old Stager for whom we are searching info is the SW Echo, SW Argus & Western Mail writer of the 1920s and 1930s. He was a prolific writer a fine example of his work was the front page of the South Wales Football Echo on the day when Wales defeated New Zealand in 1935, almost the complete front page is written by Old Stager, this for an evening paper which would hit the streets within 90 minutes of the match finishing, a phenomenal feat ! Any help given will be credited on our 'Old Stager' page when complete.
A big THANK YOU to the following who have supplied information to items appearing on this page:
Ray Evans, South
(formerly of Penygraig), Paul Davies, 'JP',
Ted Roberts, Lena
Balakrishnan, NZ, Peter Upton, Richard
Avenell, Pat Walsh, Australia,
Howard Mitchell, Joel Diemer, New
Mexico. Steve Calline, Lisa
Edwards (gg/d of Albert Jenkins, Llanelli & Wales), Graham
Williams, rugby historian, Nick
Creal & Neil Vickery, Clive Jones of
Carmarthen, Tom Judd, Leicester, Adrian
Doyle, Australia, Chris Evans, Andrew Mitchell, Mackie Academy FP,
Juan Antonio Gonzalez Gonzalez
There are others, if we have missed you, sorry ! please email us and we will add you to the above list.
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